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 Joe Zawinul: Long-Distance Weather Report
Interview by Bill Milkowski

Joe Zawinul's attitude, like Miles Davis', is strictly forward-looking with regard to his music. "I don't listen to the old music," he maintains. "When it's done, it's done." Still, Zawinul found a few minutes to weigh in via phone on some old, done music in honor of the recent Weather Report remastered reissues of Mysterious Traveller, Tale Spinnin' and Black Market by Legacy. To read Wayne Shorter's comments on Weather Report and the reissues, see the June 2002 issue of JazzTimes.

Mysterious Traveller (1973)

This was definitely more of a power band than the previous lineup of Weather Report [which included Miroslav Vitous on bass and Eric Gravatt on drums]. I think on this album more than any album we had some kind of community effort, you know? On the next album after this [Tale Spinnin'] it's just one or the other who wrote the tune. This album was more collaborative.

"Nubian Sundance"
I really like this song. I had a problem with the song—not making it, because it's all improvised—but with the drumbeat I have, one drummer alone could not do it. That meant we had to take two drummers out on the road and that worked out for a while pretty good. [On the recording the drum tandem is Wayne Shorter's cousin Ishmael Wilburn and Skip Hadden, though on the road they used Wilburn and Daryl Brown.] The track opens with a crowd cheering but it's not really a live recording or anything; I just made it to sound that way. My original improvisation was on there and it was a little on the noisy side. It started with acoustic piano and singing. That's all from the original improv. And then I said there is no way we can really reproduce that nice sound so that it feels like it is something, being out there, people enjoying that, you know. And that's the way it came out. Because every time we played that song [he sings the intro]—fucking people were going crazy, you know what I mean.

"American Tango"
This is really my tune but the introduction is by Miroslav Vitous. I had him on there as a co-composer. It was his gift having been in the band and all that. He wrote a beautiful introduction and I wrote the rest of the tune.

"Cucumber Slumber"
This is an idea Slim [Alphonso Johnson] brought in. It's based on that distinctive funky bass line. Funk was unfortunately not the forte of Miroslav. He was good when it came down to playing more traditional stuff, like walking. But he didn't have that funk thing. And when I heard Alphonso play at the Academy in Philadelphia I thought, "Here's the guy for us. A guy who can lay that stuff down but at the same time is able to do some good soloing and walking. From the Philadelphia school of bass playing. So it was Alphonso's funky bass line that got this tune started. That's what he brought in and I did the rest of it, adding in some funky clavinet and further orchestrating the piece.

"Mysterious Traveller"
That's a Wayne Shorter tune, a beautiful, complete tune he brought in.

"Blackthorn Rose"
Another Wayne tune. A nice interlude: a duet between Wayne and myself on acoustic piano.

"Scarlet Woman"
Another nice tune. It's an interesting line that Slim brought in, too, and I did the rest in terms of orchestration by basically eliminating some sections to pare it down a bit and keep it more atmospheric. [Dom Um Ramao plays the drums on this spacious track.] And Wayne did such a great, incredible solo on that that we put him in there as a co-composer, because, you know, it was a democratic band. When people did something, they should be in there. I orchestrated the tune but everyone contributed.

"Jungle Book"
That's also one of my tunes. I did it on acoustic piano. It's the first tune I recorded when we moved to California. You can hear Ivan, my youngest son, crying on it. He's our soundman on all of our gigs now. This is actually an old tune that I had for a long time and this just seemed like the time to do it, you know. It has a kind of world music feel to it. Of course, that was long before they even coined that term, 'world music.' It captures the feeling of a place, like a lot of my tunes. In fact, my new album is called Faces & Places. So I'm keeping in that tradition of songwriting that conveys a sense of ambiance.

Tale Spinnin' (1975)

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This was the second studio record we did out here in California, and we had Ndugu Chancler on drums for that. There is a lot of serious composing on this record as opposed to just writing a little melody and then fooling around with it.

 

"Man in the Green Shirt"
This tune is basically a little improvisation I did a while back when I was in the Virgin Islands. I saw this old guy dancing at a carnival. They were all sitting with the steel drums up there on a truck and this old dude started dancing to the music, and it was the most unbelievable dancing I had ever seen—really together. So it inspired this idea. It had nothing to do with that music he was dancing to—that steel drum stuff. I was just trying to create an atmosphere and capture the vibe of this guy dancing. It's a kind of happy sounding tune. I play melodica on one part against Wayne's soprano. It's a nice song.

"Lusitanos"
This is a pure Wayne Shorter tune. Very nice tune. I remember I enjoyed that a lot.

"Between the Thighs"
This is my tune. It's a fully developed piece, which is what I like about this record. This is really the way I want to write music—not just have a little melody and then fool around with it a lot. I prefer to have an extended kind of work and this tune, "Between the Thighs," sort of pointed me in that direction, so to speak. It's a composed piece but it's also open enough to include some great improvisations

"Badia"
A nice little 'other' kind of tune about an old girlfriend of mine.

"Freezing Fire"
Another Wayne Shorter tune.

"Five Short Stories"
Also a Wayne tune. There is no co-writing on this record.

Black Market (1976)

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This, of course, represents Jaco's first recording and his first composition with Weather Report ["Barbary Coast"]. What I like about this album is that Wayne played this [electric wind instrument], the Lyricon. I loved the way he played the Lyricon because it allowed him to get away from his usual sound. I wish more saxophone players would do things like that more. Because Wayne had a personality on any instrument. If you have personality it doesn't matter what you play anyhow. If you don't, there ain't no synthesizer in the world gonna help you or not any acoustic instrument either. It won't help you if you don't have it. But Wayne had it then with this Lyricon, and he could play some really deep bass lines with me on that thing. Also, my wife did the album cover for this one.

"Black Market"
I really wanted to try and capture another bit of ambiance with this tune. [The voices you hear at the outset belong to Alex Acuña and his family.]

"Cannonball"
This is a dedication to Cannonball Adderley. Cannon died in July of '75 and that was really very, very hard on everybody who was around Cannon. I was not in his band for a long time but Cannonball was one of the great people I have ever known and one of my real best friends. So I wrote this piece and Jaco told me a while back that he and his father really liked Cannon a lot. And so I thought maybe it would be a good idea to try him out on this tune, because Alphonso was by that time already talking about having a band with George Duke and Billy Cobham [and John Scofield]. And so I ran into Tony Williams and he said, "Man, check this guy from Florida out. He's bad!" And I said to him, "Yeah, this guy has been writing to me all the time and sending me cassettes." So I called him and he came up for this song and we had such a wonderful time. And it was funny because at first he wanted to play a lot of stuff on the song—a little too busy. And I had to say, "No, no. Play that beautiful tone you have—just play that little line." And that's what you hear on the record, that beautiful bass melody. And it's a first take. Jaco was something special, man. And he fits really well on this particular piece.

"Gibraltar"
This is my improvisation from beginning to end. It was one of those things I put together and then I wrote it out for the band and we played it—as simple as that. This tune reminds me of different places.

"Elegant People"
Wayne Shorter song.

"Three Clowns"
Wayne Shorter song.

"Hernandu"
A great fucking tune by Alphonso Johnson in 11/4 time that I did some further orchestrating on. This tune I really like.

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