Fight the Big Bull: An American Band

The blues- and folk-informed Fight the Big Bull makes a go of it from Richmond, Va.

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Leading a 10-piece ensemble that incorporates swing, rock, folk and free jazz in Richmond, Va., admits composer-guitarist Matt White, “can be like creating music in a vacuum.” So when Fight the Big Bull’s debut CD, Dying Will Be Easy, began to garner accolades, White and his bandmates felt they’d proved a point. “I wouldn’t say we have a chip on our shoulder,” White says, “but we’re here, we’re creating music, and we’re confident that what we’re doing is unique. I think that’s really kept people together.”

Originally intended to be a demo, Dying Will Be Easy caught the ear not only of Clean Feed Records, who released it in 2008, but of two of White’s biggest influences: saxophonist Ken Vandermark and slide trumpeter Steven Bernstein, both of whom have gone on to collaborate with the band. Bernstein, in fact, performs and contributes two compositions and an arrangement of the Band’s “Jemima Surrender” to Fight the Big Bull’s second album for Clean Feed, All Is Gladness in the Kingdom. “His music is really inspired by my music, but it’s also inspired by many of the things that inspired me,” Bernstein says. The two met when White, freshly graduated from Virginia Commonwealth University, e-mailed Bernstein and received a terse reply: “Call me.”

“I’m not a big typer,” Bernstein laughs, but he saw something special in the younger composer’s work. “Music schools are putting out kids every day who have knowledge but don’t have that extra thing. This guy already has whatever that mysterious thing is, the magic part of music.”

As for the shared inspirations that Bernstein speaks of, White rattles off an extensive and wide-ranging list. “All this music that comes out of the blues and the African-American folk traditions is a huge influence on me,” he says. “Blues music, gospel music, the New Orleans traditions, both the first wave of New Orleans jazz and early R&B, proto-funk music. Reggae is a big influence even though that’s probably a pretty buried reference point.”

He continues to trace a lifeline of influences leading through Duke Ellington to Carla Bley to the Band and beyond: “Growing up I listened to Chuck Berry and the Beach Boys constantly. In a way, I feel like Fight the Big Bull is a really avant-garde version of Chuck Berry and the Beach Boys. That might sound weird, but in my mind I can hear that, a very blues-based music with big arrangements and kind of fucked up.”

As a 27-year-old guitarist, it’s not surprising that White looks toward rock music even while working in a jazz milieu. “I was reading this interview with Duke Ellington,” he recalls, “and he talked about swing music being the music of his youth and how much that really pumps him up, and I feel that way about a handful of rock music. That’s the music I grew up on and I think it’s important to embrace that and not try to fake like swing or bebop or whatever was the music that really informed my early development, because it wasn’t.”

Those influences are also bearing fruit in collaborations that White and FTBB are undertaking with their peers. The band recently recorded I Mean to Live Here Still, a collaboration with San Francisco-based singer-songwriter David Karsten Daniels, and this fall will undertake a recording and performance series with experimental indie-rockers Megafaun and Bon Iver. “I met those guys playing in rock bands up and down the East Coast,” White says. “There were probably 15 people at the show and no one knew who either of us was, and now [Bon Iver frontman] Justin Vernon is a global indie-rock icon. Megafaun are expat jazz kids who play weird Americana indie-rock free jazz, which is almost what we do, but on different sides of the spectrum. So it’s been really natural. I can bridge the cultural gap, because I can just hang out with those guys and have a great time, but I can also be really nerdy about horn scores.”

“I knew Matt through an earlier project,” says David Karsten Daniels, “but when I heard his new band I immediately had the feeling of wanting desperately to make a record with this group of musicians I heard playing so powerfully—sounding so dirty and alive. I think that Fight the Big Bull, while able to be very exacting and subtle, have a unique ability to tap into something very animalistic.”

Expanding beyond the core of FTBB, White envisions starting his own record label centered around a house band, producer, arranger and songwriters, but with a diverse array of styles. He sees the band’s position in Richmond, away from the larger meccas of jazz and rock music, as akin to the Memphis sound of Stax Records, or the Muscle Shoals Studio in Alabama, beacons for artists who wanted to tap into their specific regional sounds. “I think we have that a little bit,” White says, “a unique aesthetic where people are coming to us with cool projects. I like what we have going on here. I can’t speak for my whole future, but right now I think there’s enough positive momentum and things really happening here that I’m committed to staying for the foreseeable future.”

Originally published in October 2010

1 Comment

  • Sep 23, 2010 at 02:02PM wtaylo39

    It Don't Mean a Thing (If It Ain't Got That Swing)

    Upon hearing Fight the Big Bull, my initial impression was, "man these cats swing!" That cannot be said of quite a few "jazz" musicians and even Big Bands. This comes through in their live performances as well as their genre hopping collaborations. Mr. White has listened to both Duke Ellington and Chuck Berry and taken their words to heart.

    I've got no kick againt modern jazz,
    Unless they try to play it too darn fast;
    And change the beauty of the melody,
    Until they sounded like a symphony,

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